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September 19th, 2001
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Never underestimate the power of ignorance
On the one hand, I've been heartened by the outpouring of reason and calls for unity in the face of this tragedy. On the other hand, as much as we would like to think the nation has been enlightened, the numbers are against us.

Nearly one out of six Americans believes that we have declared war on the Islam religion. Approximately one in three feel that Arab-Americans should be placed under special observation (along the lines of concentration camps for Japanese-Americans in WWII). And one-half of Americans -- enough to elect a president -- support giving Arab-Americans special ID cards.

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I spend an awful lot of time trying to defend humanity from overzealous otherkin's accusations of mass bastardry. Sometimes I find myself backed into a corner over it.

I've got an offer for all humans of good conscience: Let's abandon Earth. Leave it to the ignorant, racist, aggressive, shortsighted monkeys. The rest of us can find another world worth settling and build humanity into the race it was meant to be.

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From:lonita
Date:September 19th, 2001 02:20 pm (UTC)
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*rubs your nosey* I apologise, on behalf of humanity, for its stupidity, short-sightedness, ignorance, and intolerance.

One of these days they'll learn. Be glad that at least SOME of them already HAVE.
From:tropism
Date:September 19th, 2001 06:58 pm (UTC)
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1: Remember that most people are of the herd; they tend to get swept up with populat opinion, and don't think for themselves. Despair for the ones who won't, when the implications are explained to them, think for themselves.

2: Fuck that, this is -my- planet. Perhaps I shall outgrow her, but I shall not abandon her to the ignorant masses.
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From:arcturax
Date:September 19th, 2001 07:19 pm (UTC)

We can't give up...

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Yes the world may be full of idiots, but it would be terrible of those of us who are good to leave. Things are never truly lost until the good people have all fled. We are the only ones who can keep things together even if we can't see that as individuals. It is our actions as a whole which do this and sometimes it is just too big for us to notice or see. This world is my home and despite her problems, I won't abandon her. Let the tide of the unwashed sweep me to my doom, but I will stand my ground to the last for her. I owe this world at least that much...
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From:zxizaraxii
Date:September 19th, 2001 08:09 pm (UTC)
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Nice plan, but I don't think it'd go far in this lifetime...

Athran
From:maskedwulf
Date:September 20th, 2001 02:21 am (UTC)
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Can I go on your rocket ship? You sound like you think like me, it'd make for an interesting trip.
From:(Anonymous)
Date:September 21st, 2001 11:55 pm (UTC)

Down with Earth!

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Let's move to a parallel universe, where the bus rides are free. It would solve some of the population pressure here (depending on how many sane rational people you really think there are) and who knows, maybe the chimps will finally make an evolutionary jump to wrestle back civilization. No, wait. That was "Planet of the Apes".
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From:baxil
Date:September 26th, 2001 10:17 am (UTC)

Re: Down with Earth!

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Boy, and I thought I was being bitter and cynical.
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From:chaoseven
Date:September 24th, 2001 04:37 pm (UTC)
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Humanity *is* the race it was meant to be...or was diversity an unexpected flaw of evolution? Perhaps even, a submissive limitation to our own evolution...

You can argue all the good points and the bad, but there is still no real separation. Both qualities are evident in our morality and behavior. If you attempt to remove one aspect of our nature, it will irrevocably alter all remaining aspects. There can be no substance of "good" without "evil", and vice versa.

To take the 'best' of humanity and place it upon another world...is to spread humanity all the same. Is that really something we should consider doing?

Let's not consider such until we've something tangible to hope for here and now. Are we able to establish an 'ideal humanity' upon the Earth right now, regardless of geography, population, culture?

I suppose the question is whether one would plan on consolidating a similar grouping of culture/goverment/religion to structure 'ideal humanity', or to peaceably merge our existing diversity into a semblance...and even then, would we wish to send human beings who have grown and been shaped by this world, to another? In a sense, to let the influece of this world spread? Or would we send children, clones of full-grown adults with no memories, a people whose culture is whatever they establish it as? A truly new beginning...
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From:sebboi
Date:September 25th, 2001 06:38 am (UTC)

Amen

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Preech it from the hill...
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From:baxil
Date:September 26th, 2001 11:37 am (UTC)

Are you American?

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Your point in the third and fourth paragraphs -- that we should clean up our messes at home before setting out to new frontiers -- applies equally well to the pilgrims' voyage in the 17th Century. American colonization gave us such things as Native American genocide and "Manifest Destiny", yes. But it also gave us the most ambitious political experiment ever undertaken -- and a Constitution that, for the first time in human history, promised inalienable rights to every citizen. I may not be patriotic about America as a political entity, but I am savagely patriotic about the Constitution, and the ideology that our country was founded on (and still pays homage to occasionally).

We wouldn't have that if a group of courageous, dedicated men and women hadn't escaped their world and fled for new frontiers, three-plus centuries ago.

You can argue that space exploration is infeasible, or expensive, or won't solve Earth's problems, all you want. I'll probably even agree with you. But the point is that we need frontiers. We need somewhere else to go where we -- FSVO* "we" -- can create alternatives to systems that we feel inhibit human development. Because human nature is as it is, the vast majority of people are reluctant to change, to try something new. Historically, to raise human consciousness, a migration was necessary. Once the new meme had been firmly established in isolation, it could start to trickle back to those still mired in the old lands.

To answer another of your questions: no, we cannot establish an "ideal" humanity, here or anywhere. I think you're correct to point out that my "race we're meant to be" rhetoric is hyperbole; we all have the potential for good and evil, and there's no way to select out the "evil people", remove them, and make everything better. However, we can get closer to a society where everyone is happy than where we are right now.

That's the credo of the refugee: We can do better. We can make a better world -- but we will see faster, better results if we abandon as much of what's holding us back as possible. And so we wish to go elsewhere -- to seek geographical isolation from the corruption, ignorance, and/or aggressiveness of "home."

(*: For Some Value Of)

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From:chaoseven
Date:September 26th, 2001 03:29 pm (UTC)

Re: Are you American?

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I also think that new frontiers are needed, if we're to make any real progression in the future. However, it seems that the essence of 'discovery' has died in the modern age. There's a footprint upon every land, a wireless web between each country, and the entirety of our knowledge upon every modem cable. Our world is saturated in surveillance, communication, and technology.

I wasn't stating that we should attempt to 'clean up our messes here', because that cannot be done. Our progression is irreversible. Only a massive human culling would apparently serve to back us out of the overpopulated corner we've collectively backed ourselves into.

We cannot alleviate the endless errata of our planet...and we cannot yet populate a new one. What can be done in the mean time?

Should we attempt a simulation? Can we seek geographical isolation here upon the Earth, in one of our countless uninhabited islands, flatlands, or deserts? Can we establish a fully isolated, independent, and functional civilization?

I wonder what the diversity of race, nationality, culture, and ethics will become upon a new land, devoid of territory, of 'property'. Will it harmonize, or spread to equally distant lands of an equally distant world? Will it perpetuate itself and attest our nature? As always, many questions and tangents of thought to follow along...
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From:chaoseven
Date:September 26th, 2001 03:33 pm (UTC)

Re: Are you American?

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...btw, in reply to the subject heading; Yess, I'm from New York...'member the Denver Dragon Gather of 2K? *waves*
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