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September 21st, 2009
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If you had told me after 9/11 that Little Green Footballs was one day going to get shunned out of mainstream conservatism for not being right-wing enough, I would have looked at you like you had grown a third eye. For many years the LGF comments section was the go-to place if you wanted to find reprehensible opinions from the depths of the reactionary fever swamp. There is truly something unreal about today's GOP.

Anyway, I ought to do more than stand on the sidelines and gape at right-wing political infighting, so here's your Moment of Zen:

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From:luna_torquill
Date:September 22nd, 2009 04:07 am (UTC)
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From that article, it sounds like LGF has actually shifted its focus dramatically in the last couple of years. Maybe I should go have a look for myself and see.

If it's actually true... amazing. Makes me wonder whether Redstate is next.
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From:baxil
Date:September 22nd, 2009 05:02 pm (UTC)
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It's true, I read a few pages of recent posts. His front page is criticizing Glenn Beck and the right-wing estimates of the 9/12 crowds. He hasn't turned liberal (at least, not unless he pulls a 180 on health care et.al.) but he's certainly calling bullshit on the worst of the right-wing excesses and getting into the sort of huge fights that mark him as a walkaway.

In this he's following Andrew Sullivan and John Cole (Balloon Juice). I wonder if there have been any similar high-profile defections from the left that I'm not aware of*, or whether the dramatic expulsions are a right-wing phenom. There are a few critics of the extreme right that have managed to stay focused on right-wing causes (like Ross Douthat of The Next Right), but largely once they start the self-examination it seems like the next move is a big one.

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* The only one that comes immediately to mind would be James Lileks, who went rabid over radical Islam waaaaaaay back after 9/11. That this is the closest I can get suggests that I may not be following the left-wing inside baseball closely enough.
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From:comingin2day
Date:September 22nd, 2009 04:40 am (UTC)
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funny.
From:aknitwit
Date:September 22nd, 2009 04:26 pm (UTC)
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Re: The video--There is more than one way to water a cat.
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From:dogemperor
Date:September 22nd, 2009 04:39 pm (UTC)
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Re the GOP--I'd say, more to the point, that it's been:

a) Completely and utterly steeplejacked at this point by right-wing extremists, particularly dominionists, and particularly Joel's Army neopente dominionists.

(Let's just say you know my history about being raised by fundies, and let's just say I saw this in its earliest phases of implementation, and let's just say I'm presently in the process of co-authoring a book about how the GOP got taken over in stealth.)

b) Steeplejacked to the point that the steeplejackers are now in "consolidation mode" and no longer give much of a damn about keeping up pretenses at *all*.

(Honestly--and I've said this for a while--there's going to be a split; I either expect the non-extremist Republicans to rise up and the extremists driven to the Constitution Party (this, sadly, does not look terribly likely) or the non-extremists will be forced to form a new political party (maybe call it the Conservative Party, dunno) and the GOP essentially becomes a wing of the Constitution Party. And yes, I feel safe in pointing to THAT particular bunch of religiofascist extremists, seeing as there is evidence that Constitution Party-linked folks HAVE been trying to infiltrate the GOP. Yes, the infamous Sarah Palin would be among those.)

So, I'm not terribly shocked that LGF is no longer considered "conservative enough"--even townhall.com is starting to be seen as a little "pink" (and it's OWNED by a religiocasting network!). The new hotnesses, alas, seem to be WND and Free Republic, as well as smaller boards (where they can be a bit more open re the racism and the full goals for the religious supremacy).
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From:baxil
Date:September 22nd, 2009 09:25 pm (UTC)
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One thing that's especially scary about the GOP is that since Obama's election, the most noise from the right-wing extremists has not been overtly religious, or even dealing with the themes of the Religious Right -- they have moved to explicitly economic ("socialism!"), nationalist/racial (the Birthers et.al.) arguments and are trying to stir up support with anti-government fearmongering.

It's a populist appeal. They're hoping to capitalize on a tide of discontent -- which just might work, considering the fucked-up mess that the GOP themselves have brought the country to -- and if they can redirect enough anger at their scapegoats to wedge themselves back into power before the fracture you describe, then ... well, it might not be pretty.
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From:roaminrob
Date:September 24th, 2009 06:28 am (UTC)
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(I apologize in advance for stepping into your conversation with someone else.)

The problem here though actually isn't the right wing, it's the left wing and the bulk of Americans in-between.

The left-wingers put up the best fight they've been able to muster in I-dunno-how-long, and managed to get their guy in the White House and pretty much take control of the rest, at least for a while. The problem is that to do so, they had to sell Obama as a heroic figure, and as he continues to fall short of that, it's dead-simple for the right-wingers to take one potshot after another at him.

I've overheard conversations among supposedly intelligent, educated people who were convinced that Obama was bringing out the beginning of the end of their beloved America in the form of -- *gasp* -- health care. These aren't right-wingers, either; they're full-on middle-road American know-littles.

But, that's as much the left-wingers' fault as anything. Here we have a party that collectively has all the ambition and get-up-and-go of a walnut. Nah, actually, a walnut has a chance of growing up to be something big and strong ... so, yeah, they'd pretty much let the walnut talk shit about them, too.

I hate -- yes, hate -- the right-wingers for being the stupid, self-interested, lying blowhards that they are, and I utterly disrespect the left-wingers for being the pushover, uninvolved, lackadaisical wimps that they are.

I have no doubt whatsoever that the right-wingers will trample all over the left in the next election. It's pretty clear that the right-wing has been working its PR machine ever since Obama's victory was announced, while the left-wing appears to be out behind the shed sharing a bong. Left-wingers, bless their little hearts, will find themselves still too exhausted in 2012 from all that hard work in 2008 to bother much with mounting a proper defense, late though it would be.

And in the middle are all the Americans that take their television -- and internet -- news at face-value, that don't bother to discuss things like critical-thinking adults, and who think it's somehow socially unacceptable to have strong political opinions in mixed company.

I'd wring my hands in helpless despair if I didn't find the entire situation so disgusting.
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